After their powerful conversation with Betty and Kyle Mertens, Erin and Kelly reflect on what they’ve learned, how they were inspired, and what we can all take away from a tragedy.

Erin an Kelley welcome Betty and Kyle Mertens to the (A)Theist Podcast. Betty and Kyle experienced a tragic loss when their first born daughter, Ella, died shortly before her first birthday. They share how they moved through unbelievable grief and what they’ve learned about supporting others when they experience loss.